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Closing Isnât Closure: When Lenders Rewrite the Rules Post-Closing
How to protect your deals (and your sanity) when lenders pull last-minute payoff changes.
Listen if, youâre a title agent whoâs ever had a lender reject your perfectly-timed payoff and hit you with extra fees after closing, or donât want to be next!
Key takeaways:
Shave days off the âgood throughâ date to create your own safety buffer.
Always re-confirm payoffsâespecially near the deadline, on foreclosures, or if theyâre more than 2 weeks old.
Add indemnity language to your closing docs to shift risk where it belongs.
Golden quote: âApparently âgood throughâ now means âgood through⌠unless we change our mind.ââ
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When Payoffs Go Sideways and Title Agents Get Burned
"We've been in business since 1988 - and I've learned never to say 'I've seen it all.'"
-Gina Curran, Stewart Abstract
Smart Gina, very smart. I've been in title since 1998. I'm in total agreement with you and this is certainly a new one for me, too. Letâs be honest: if youâre in title, youâve probably had a love-hate relationship with payoff statements. Actually, scratch thatâthereâs not much love left these days. Just ask Gina Curran of Stewart Abstract, Berks County, who recently shared a story that had half the ALTA Forum nodding in exhausted solidarity and the other half screaming internally, 'Seriously? What next?!?'
The short version? Ginaâs office received a payoff statement for a June 16th closing. It arrived late, 10 days later, on June 26th and was marked good through June 30th. Like the uber-smart title agent she is, Gina verified the payoff instructions through CertifID and overnighted a check. The delivery was signed for on June 30th. Now, if you're doing some quick mental math, let me save you the trouble - June 26th was a Thursday, so the check being received 4 days later means it arrived on Monday, within the "Good Through" window.
Thenâsurprise!âon that very same day, the lender issued a new payoff with extra fees and a new good-through date. Two days later, they rejected the check and demanded another $3,000.
Let that sink in.
Gina asked the question that's probably now on everyone's minds, âAre we now also responsible for second-guessing every payoff we receive?â
Apparently the answer is yes, because Thomas Cronkright with Sun Title Agency of Michigan, Amy Elliott from Abstract & Title in Indiana and many others have encountered the same problem!

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âEstoppelâ Apparently Means âSubject to Vibesâ
You know what estoppel is supposed to mean, right? Itâs legal-speak for: âWe said it, you relied on it, itâs binding.â
Except, as Rawleigh Simmons of River Title & Escrow so perfectly quipped:
âSo much for the whole idea of âEstoppelâ! I guess it should be called a âSuggestionâ letter instead!â
Cue nervous laughter from every agent whoâs now trying to figure out how to tell sellers that they will be holding proceeds just in case someone at the lender decides to hit âreviseâ after disbursing funds.
The Invisible Risk Nobody Talks About
Thomas Cronkright of Sun Title put it bluntly:
âOur agency experienced a similar situation⌠In response, weâve started cutting back the âgood throughâ date by several days when we process payoffs. Itâs not a perfect solution, but it seems to be working.â
Smart. But alsoâhow absurd is it that this is the workaround? Title agents padding deadlines and hoping for the best?
Amy Elliott of Abstract & Title Companies summed up the frustration:
âLetâs be clear: itâs often not the title companyâs mistake, yet everyone in the transaction looks to us to fund the loss.â
Sheâs right. Everyone leans on title to fix the unfixableâand then blames us when the lender pulls a fast one. So, what can you do?
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Triage for a Broken System
Until the system catches up with reality (or lenders develop a conscience), here are some field-tested strategies from your fellow pros:
Build in a Buffer: Several agents report manually adjusting âgood throughâ dates to create a grace period. Itâs a Band-Aid, but itâs something.
Confirm (Again): If youâre near the end of the payoff windowâor dealing with a foreclosureâor the payoff is more than 2 weeks old - well maybe always? Pick up the phone. As Nancy Gusman, of Brick House Consulting Services, warned, foreclosure attorneys are notorious for tacking on extra fees at the last minute.
Use Wire Transfers: Paper checks can sit around. Wires force faster processing. But as Dee Harrison of Alpha Reliable Title pointed out: âWhat if the wire instructions on the website has been hacked? Ugh!! The life we choose.â Don't forget to use a fraud prevention service like Closinglock to verify first!
Read the Fine Print: Read the fine print of your payoff statements. Gina reported that there was vague language on page 4 of 7 of the payoff that gave the lender an out for their own mistake.
Indemnity Agreements: Amy Elliottâs team added indemnity language to their closing documents to protect against shortfalls. It's not foolproof, but it's a layer of protection. (Members, scroll to the bottom to snag sample indemnity wording for your affidavit!)
Legislative Advocacy: Florida and Wisconsin have passed laws that force lenders to honor payoffsâunless they issue amended ones by a clear deadline. Florida even requires the lender to treat any shortfall as a principal paydown if they mess up. (Keep an eye out for our members only legislative round up, "Payoff Roulette: State Laws That Shield (or Screw) Title Agents Post-Closing")
Laura Licastro, Westcor Land Title, suggests that we âtalk with others in your stateâs land title association to see if your state would benefit from this kind of legislation.â
Yes, this is exactly the kind of proactive protection the industry needs. Itâs not just about pushing paperâitâs about pushing back.
The Last Line of Defense Is Getting Fed Up
As Mary Enzi from Tax Solutions said, "There is a significant burden that falls upon you all." We all know the title industry is being crushed under the weight of everyone elseâs problems. Property taxes? You handle it. Mortgage payoffs? You get it. Wire fraud? You prevent it. Now add FinCEN real estate reporting to the mix.
And through it all, you remain the underpaid, over-regulated, legally liable last line of defense, and still say things like:
"I am happy to shoulder that burden, as long as it is fair." -Gina Curran
But Gina continued by saying the thing we're all thinking, "We are in business to provide a valuable service and to make money providing that service, but we cannot be left holding the bag for everyone else and their mistakes."
So letâs make this conversation louder. Share it. Tag your state land title association. Talk to your underwriter. Contact your state reps. Ask for legislative protections. Because the more we normalize lenders shirking responsibility, the more we ensure title agents stay the industryâs punching bag.
We can do better. And we must demand better.
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